ElsyDec 24, 2015Dec 24, 2015 at 02:35 AM
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So there was quite a lot of feelings stired up in a TESO RP thread. This one, to be exact.
So I'd like to make some clarifications that will allow us to fit into the consensus of the community yet also continue our guild's hierarchy and style of RP.
Ownership
-WE DO NOT OWN VULKWASTEN. It is our RP hub but it is also a game and we cannot claim ownership of it. That isn't to say we aren't owed a certain amount of respect for our RP and our own guild lore. It doesn't mean we should let people march in and tell us we can't RP the way we want. It just means, DO NOT kick people out of the space because it's "ours."
-NO ONE OWNS ANY BUILDINGS AND THEREFORE CANNOT KICK ANYONE OUT. Again, this is all public space within a video game. Therefore no one can own any building (not even Elsy). No one owns the tavern (we've changed "tavern owner" to "tavern/inn manager"), and no one owns the huts. You can say for IC purposes that there are more huts and your character owns/lives in one, and proceed to RP in a hut interior and use the existing ones with the intent that you are in another home. But to say a specific hut is yours, and try to prevent others from using the space, is wrong.
Leadership
-ELSY IS NOT THE TREETHANE OF VULKWASTEN. She cannot be, simply because we cannot expect any outside RPers to follow her word and law as if she controlled the whole area. That would be godmoding. I've told people, that Elsy was elected a leader of the community there. Like a "clan leader." But not leader of Vulkwasten. Additionally, I like to make sure people know that "treethane" is not a technical position of hers, just a nickname. All of this isn't to say you won't be frowned upon if you disrespect her and won't be arrested if you do something against her and the community, it's just a reminder that she is more "treethane to the clan" than any treethane to Vulkwasten.
-THE COUNCIL IS NOT THE COUNCIL OF VULKWASTEN. Similarly, the council has no control over outside RPers (unless they broke a law). They do however, have power over the clan community, just as Elsy does. They are council to the clan, not to Vulkwasten.
-THE GUARD IS NOT THE GUARD OF VULKWASTEN. Again, similar idea. Call them something closer to a clan guard. Not to say they can't take you in or dole out punishment for justice. Even so, as long as we warn outsiders that there are rules, they can still totally attempt arrests (ESPECIALLY since our laws are so close to Dominiom laws anyhow), even on people that aren't in guild. If other RPers take issue with this and aren't in guild, then we'll have to talk OOCly and perhaps politely ignore their RP, since they won't RP the way we'd like to, and therefore leaving them to do their own thing is better than butting heads and trying to kick them out. Which we shouldn't be doing.
In short, just be mindful of others as always, that if they aren't in our guild, then they are free to RP the way they want even if it doesn't align with our guild's way (agree to disagree then politely ignore their RP if this happens), and remember we don't own anything. This is a game. We must coexist.
TLDR Version of thread
TESO RP wroteA group of roleplayers have attempted (and in my opinion, failed) to claim ownership of a part of the game world and felt so emboldened by this assumption that they could throw some of their non-existant weight and influence around, all the while breaking the lore in pretty direct ways. The response was generally not positive, and the attempt was not generally well received by those present. An opinion has been expressed that claiming places to that extent is frowned upon, but ultimately people seem to respect people's right to RP however they want.
So the ultimate conclusion, from what I'm gathering, is that choosing not to acknowledge forms of roleplay that too heavily infringes on the enjoyment of others is the best way to move forward.
I don't know the person who suggested this 'wall' of shame, but suffice to say I disagree with the assertion. I've actually gone through great lengths to leave out names simply because I think people should form their own opinions about people. I'm just some guy in the community. I think too much harping has been done on this idea, and it's largely caused a deviation from the original topic.
TL;DR- A group of people tried to claim ownership of a public space and another group of people didn't like it or acknowledge it. Most people seem to think that trying to claim a public space as a means of influence in general RP is bad. People think attempting to publicly shame people for different views of RP is bad.
So I'd like to make some clarifications that will allow us to fit into the consensus of the community yet also continue our guild's hierarchy and style of RP.
Ownership
-WE DO NOT OWN VULKWASTEN. It is our RP hub but it is also a game and we cannot claim ownership of it. That isn't to say we aren't owed a certain amount of respect for our RP and our own guild lore. It doesn't mean we should let people march in and tell us we can't RP the way we want. It just means, DO NOT kick people out of the space because it's "ours."
-NO ONE OWNS ANY BUILDINGS AND THEREFORE CANNOT KICK ANYONE OUT. Again, this is all public space within a video game. Therefore no one can own any building (not even Elsy). No one owns the tavern (we've changed "tavern owner" to "tavern/inn manager"), and no one owns the huts. You can say for IC purposes that there are more huts and your character owns/lives in one, and proceed to RP in a hut interior and use the existing ones with the intent that you are in another home. But to say a specific hut is yours, and try to prevent others from using the space, is wrong.
Leadership
-ELSY IS NOT THE TREETHANE OF VULKWASTEN. She cannot be, simply because we cannot expect any outside RPers to follow her word and law as if she controlled the whole area. That would be godmoding. I've told people, that Elsy was elected a leader of the community there. Like a "clan leader." But not leader of Vulkwasten. Additionally, I like to make sure people know that "treethane" is not a technical position of hers, just a nickname. All of this isn't to say you won't be frowned upon if you disrespect her and won't be arrested if you do something against her and the community, it's just a reminder that she is more "treethane to the clan" than any treethane to Vulkwasten.
-THE COUNCIL IS NOT THE COUNCIL OF VULKWASTEN. Similarly, the council has no control over outside RPers (unless they broke a law). They do however, have power over the clan community, just as Elsy does. They are council to the clan, not to Vulkwasten.
-THE GUARD IS NOT THE GUARD OF VULKWASTEN. Again, similar idea. Call them something closer to a clan guard. Not to say they can't take you in or dole out punishment for justice. Even so, as long as we warn outsiders that there are rules, they can still totally attempt arrests (ESPECIALLY since our laws are so close to Dominiom laws anyhow), even on people that aren't in guild. If other RPers take issue with this and aren't in guild, then we'll have to talk OOCly and perhaps politely ignore their RP, since they won't RP the way we'd like to, and therefore leaving them to do their own thing is better than butting heads and trying to kick them out. Which we shouldn't be doing.
In short, just be mindful of others as always, that if they aren't in our guild, then they are free to RP the way they want even if it doesn't align with our guild's way (agree to disagree then politely ignore their RP if this happens), and remember we don't own anything. This is a game. We must coexist.
Edited Jan 13, 2016 at 03:20 AM by 0